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		<title>Comment on The Profession’s Call for Civility. “Got a Problem with it?” by Professionalism: Managing Personal and Professional Crises &#124; nun-o &#124; New Useful Non-Obvious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professionalism: Managing Personal and Professional Crises &#124; nun-o &#124; New Useful Non-Obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 17:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] what are we to do? I think this ties back in to a comment that Mr. Josephsberg made in his talk on civility in the legal profession. He began by observing that, in his opinion, it is not so much a factor that the current generation [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Bilski Arguments by Rob Suarez</title>
		<link>http://nun-o.com/2010/06/29/bilski-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Suarez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 13:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, Penter.
It&#039;s a common mis-conception, or over simplification, that patents stifle competition or that they chill innovation. Let&#039;s see if the no-patent theory works: Let&#039;s assume that, as is the case currently, most technological advances are not discovered by &quot;garage-based&quot; inventors, but rather by companies that are investing in R&amp;D in order to have a competitive advantage in their marketplace. In your hypothetical, &quot;Ten people can have the same idea but there maybe only two ways to make idea work.&quot; In your analysis, &quot;Whoever discoveres the two ways to make the idea work first and files for a patent has successfully cornered the market and innovation comes to a dramatic halt.&quot; I must disagree. First, shouldn&#039;t the person that discovered the two ways to make it work be rewarded for his innovation? It has been proven time and again that when a person has an incentive to do something, they are more likely to continue than if they are not. This is the basic premise behind &quot;promoting the useful arts.&quot; 

But then comes the &quot;monopoly&quot; argument. Since the inventor has filed a patent on the only two ways to make the idea work, your argument contends, then every other inventor is forestalled from any further innovation in that field. Let&#039;s turn it on it&#039;s head and consider trade secrets as opposed to patent protection. If the inventor would not have filed for a patent on the &quot;two methods that work&quot; and instead kept them as trade secrets, yes, you are correct in that other inventors would not be foreclosed  from coming up with the exact same &quot;two methods that work&quot;. But is that really innovation? If ten people come up with the same two methods that work, the marketplace still has only two methods that work... only two choices. Now, let&#039;s say we incentivize the first inventor to publish his findings. Now, other inventors in the field are able to look at those two methods that work and build upon it... make it better... differentiate it... come up with other options that the market can choose from. In exchange for that sharing of information, we&#039;ll give the first inventor a limited monopoly on exactly those &quot;two methods that work&quot;. The inventor has an incentive to publish his invention. The other players in the market are able to improve and differentiate with derivative or different inventions. The consumers now truly have choices. That is true innovation. That is what patents offer in the tech sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Penter.<br />
It&#8217;s a common mis-conception, or over simplification, that patents stifle competition or that they chill innovation. Let&#8217;s see if the no-patent theory works: Let&#8217;s assume that, as is the case currently, most technological advances are not discovered by &#8220;garage-based&#8221; inventors, but rather by companies that are investing in R&amp;D in order to have a competitive advantage in their marketplace. In your hypothetical, &#8220;Ten people can have the same idea but there maybe only two ways to make idea work.&#8221; In your analysis, &#8220;Whoever discoveres the two ways to make the idea work first and files for a patent has successfully cornered the market and innovation comes to a dramatic halt.&#8221; I must disagree. First, shouldn&#8217;t the person that discovered the two ways to make it work be rewarded for his innovation? It has been proven time and again that when a person has an incentive to do something, they are more likely to continue than if they are not. This is the basic premise behind &#8220;promoting the useful arts.&#8221; </p>
<p>But then comes the &#8220;monopoly&#8221; argument. Since the inventor has filed a patent on the only two ways to make the idea work, your argument contends, then every other inventor is forestalled from any further innovation in that field. Let&#8217;s turn it on it&#8217;s head and consider trade secrets as opposed to patent protection. If the inventor would not have filed for a patent on the &#8220;two methods that work&#8221; and instead kept them as trade secrets, yes, you are correct in that other inventors would not be foreclosed  from coming up with the exact same &#8220;two methods that work&#8221;. But is that really innovation? If ten people come up with the same two methods that work, the marketplace still has only two methods that work&#8230; only two choices. Now, let&#8217;s say we incentivize the first inventor to publish his findings. Now, other inventors in the field are able to look at those two methods that work and build upon it&#8230; make it better&#8230; differentiate it&#8230; come up with other options that the market can choose from. In exchange for that sharing of information, we&#8217;ll give the first inventor a limited monopoly on exactly those &#8220;two methods that work&#8221;. The inventor has an incentive to publish his invention. The other players in the market are able to improve and differentiate with derivative or different inventions. The consumers now truly have choices. That is true innovation. That is what patents offer in the tech sector.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bilski Arguments by Penter</title>
		<link>http://nun-o.com/2010/06/29/bilski-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Penter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no fan of patents in the tech sector.  Time and time again we see patents being used to stifle competition (Vonage/Verizon - voip; RIM/Motorola) and to provide less of a choice to customers.  

While patent rights don&#039;t last as long as other IP rights (14-20 years depending) by the time the patent expires in the tech sector, generally the usefulness of the patent has expired.  

Tech is driven by ideas and is often constrained by hardware breakthroughs that allow the ideas to work.  Ten people can have the same idea but there maybe only two ways to make idea work.  Whoever discoveres the two ways to make the idea work first and files for a patent has successfully cornered the market and innovation comes to a dramatic halt.  

If patents are to be useful in tech, shorten the lifespan of the patent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no fan of patents in the tech sector.  Time and time again we see patents being used to stifle competition (Vonage/Verizon &#8211; voip; RIM/Motorola) and to provide less of a choice to customers.  </p>
<p>While patent rights don&#8217;t last as long as other IP rights (14-20 years depending) by the time the patent expires in the tech sector, generally the usefulness of the patent has expired.  </p>
<p>Tech is driven by ideas and is often constrained by hardware breakthroughs that allow the ideas to work.  Ten people can have the same idea but there maybe only two ways to make idea work.  Whoever discoveres the two ways to make the idea work first and files for a patent has successfully cornered the market and innovation comes to a dramatic halt.  </p>
<p>If patents are to be useful in tech, shorten the lifespan of the patent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SCOTUS Issues Opinion in Bilski v. Kappos by Bilski Arguments &#124; nun-o &#124; New Useful Non-Obvious</title>
		<link>http://nun-o.com/2010/06/28/scotus-issues-opinion-in-bilski-v-kappos/comment-page-1/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilski Arguments &#124; nun-o &#124; New Useful Non-Obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I reported yesterday, the Supreme Court has issued its ruling in the Bilski v. Kappos patent law case. While [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Life after the Patent Bar Exam by Kiersten</title>
		<link>http://nun-o.com/2009/01/13/life-after-the-patent-bar-exam/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiersten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep up the good work.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Life after the Patent Bar Exam by Grace Suarez</title>
		<link>http://nun-o.com/2009/01/13/life-after-the-patent-bar-exam/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace Suarez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw your comment on my site about Bento. I&#039;m still having a lot of fun with it. Used it to create a very useful digital law library.

There aren&#039;t many Suarezes in this country. I visited my father&#039;s town in Galicia, Spain, and Suarez is as common there as Smith here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw your comment on my site about Bento. I&#8217;m still having a lot of fun with it. Used it to create a very useful digital law library.</p>
<p>There aren&#8217;t many Suarezes in this country. I visited my father&#8217;s town in Galicia, Spain, and Suarez is as common there as Smith here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is &#8220;Intellectual Property&#8221;, anyway? by robsuarez</title>
		<link>http://nun-o.com/2008/03/25/what-is-intellectual-property-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>robsuarez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s absolutely right, Steve. Where would Coca-Cola or Bush&#039;s Baked Beans be today without trade secrets? Legally protected IP (such as Patents) do have a major drawback... they are public information. If your invention will need longer staying power that a patent term will provide (such as the longevity of Coca-Cola), then it&#039;s probably best to just keep that secret formula under wraps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s absolutely right, Steve. Where would Coca-Cola or Bush&#8217;s Baked Beans be today without trade secrets? Legally protected IP (such as Patents) do have a major drawback&#8230; they are public information. If your invention will need longer staying power that a patent term will provide (such as the longevity of Coca-Cola), then it&#8217;s probably best to just keep that secret formula under wraps.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cover your Assets by RobSuarez</title>
		<link>http://nun-o.com/2008/06/03/cover-your-assets/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>RobSuarez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, Steve. (and I&#039;ll fix that typo right away :) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, Steve. (and I&#8217;ll fix that typo right away <img src='http://nun-o.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cover your Assets by Steve Olsen</title>
		<link>http://nun-o.com/2008/06/03/cover-your-assets/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Olsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob - there&#039;s a typo in the title (&quot;assests&quot; should be &quot;assets&quot;).

Incredibly, many companies fail to place any assignment terms in their employment agreements.  This is, of course, easy to avoid.  Actual assignment agreements must have some degree of specificity.  Details about an employee&#039;s later invention cannot be known at the hiring date.  Thus, employment agreements typically only create an obligation to later assign patent rights to the company.  

Here&#039;s a practice tip for new patent agents or attorneys when filing patent applications for a corporate client: always record an executed assignment agreement (from the employee-inventors to the company) when filing a patent application.  PTO rules do not require this.  But, if you follow this practice, your clients will avoid many patent ownership disputes with current and former employees.

Many companies also provide incentives for their employees to disclose innovations and cooperate with patent counsel in preparing, filing, and prosecuting patent applications on the company&#039;s behalf.  The incentives can include, e.g., special recognition and/or the payment of bonuses or profit sharing in the invention.  By rewarding the employee (beyond just keeping his/her job), such practices may also decrease the incidence of ownership disputes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob &#8211; there&#8217;s a typo in the title (&#8220;assests&#8221; should be &#8220;assets&#8221;).</p>
<p>Incredibly, many companies fail to place any assignment terms in their employment agreements.  This is, of course, easy to avoid.  Actual assignment agreements must have some degree of specificity.  Details about an employee&#8217;s later invention cannot be known at the hiring date.  Thus, employment agreements typically only create an obligation to later assign patent rights to the company.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a practice tip for new patent agents or attorneys when filing patent applications for a corporate client: always record an executed assignment agreement (from the employee-inventors to the company) when filing a patent application.  PTO rules do not require this.  But, if you follow this practice, your clients will avoid many patent ownership disputes with current and former employees.</p>
<p>Many companies also provide incentives for their employees to disclose innovations and cooperate with patent counsel in preparing, filing, and prosecuting patent applications on the company&#8217;s behalf.  The incentives can include, e.g., special recognition and/or the payment of bonuses or profit sharing in the invention.  By rewarding the employee (beyond just keeping his/her job), such practices may also decrease the incidence of ownership disputes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is &#8220;Intellectual Property&#8221;, anyway? by Steve Olsen</title>
		<link>http://nun-o.com/2008/03/25/what-is-intellectual-property-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Olsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rob,

Just a quick note to suggest that a general conversation about IP should also include trade secret.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rob,</p>
<p>Just a quick note to suggest that a general conversation about IP should also include trade secret.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>Comment on John McCain on Technology and IP by nun-o &#124; New Useful Non-Obvious &#124; Barack Obama on Technology and IP</title>
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		<dc:creator>nun-o &#124; New Useful Non-Obvious &#124; Barack Obama on Technology and IP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I mentioned in the previous post, here now is Barack Obama&#8217;s position on Technology and Intellectual Property. Protect [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on When Protecting your IP is BAD for Business by Rob Suarez</title>
		<link>http://nun-o.com/2008/04/01/when-protecting-your-ip-is-bad-for-business/comment-page-1/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Suarez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for subscribing, Maria!
Intellectual Property is no longer solely for big corporations - it applies to all creative people and innovators... even authors. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for subscribing, Maria!<br />
Intellectual Property is no longer solely for big corporations &#8211; it applies to all creative people and innovators&#8230; even authors. <img src='http://nun-o.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on When Protecting your IP is BAD for Business by Maria Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Rob, this is very interesting. I subscribed and look forward to the discussions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Rob, this is very interesting. I subscribed and look forward to the discussions.</p>
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